UPI/Pete Marovich
NASHVILLE, Feb. 14 (UPI) — National Rifle Association Chief Executive Officer Wayne LaPierre Thursday renewed his call for armed personnel in every school in America.
Speaking at the annual convention of the National Wild Turkey Federation in Nashville, LaPierre scolded President Obama for not mentioning school safety in his State of the Union address Tuesday.
LaPierre asserted while Obama said in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre “nothing matters more than the safety of our schoolchildren,” the president failed to mention keeping schools safe in the first State of the Union address of his second term.
In the U.S. Capitol audience Tuesday were relatives of those killed in Newtown as well as former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., who is recuperating from a bullet wound to the head from a shooting spree in 2011.
Obama said legislation that would prevent anyone from buying guns for resale to criminals, banning military-style weapons and large capacity magazines “deserve a vote.”
“If you want to vote no, that’s your choice,” Obama said. “But these proposals deserve a vote.”
LaPierre accused Obama of a “level of public deception that simply cannot be ignored” and alleged the president plans to institute “bans on millions of standard shotguns and standard magazines” and transfers of weapons “even between family members.” He said Obama’s plans would culminate in the “national registration of every single gun owner in this country.”
He reiterated the NRA’s call for a “School Shield Safety Program” that would put “armed police and security officers in every single school in America.”
Obama and his Democratic allies “only care about their decades-long” crusade to “destroy the Second Amendment” and to “ban every gun they can, tax every gun sold and register every American gun owner,” LaPierre said.
Copyright 2013 United Press International, Inc. (UPI).
Look, the poor riflemen just wants to indoctrinate children to prison culture and life early. These children need to know lock down procedures for when we undoubtedly incarcerate them later in life. That’s what we’re about now.
What???
Cops with guns in schools is simply part of “conditioning” for prison culture that will be part of their futures. In case you hadn’t noticed that’s one of the big businesses we’re in now. 1 out of 2 of these kids will see prison as adults. Prison is big business now.
Can someone explain why any “law abiding” person would mind registering their firearm? You register your car, you license your dog, you need a social security number to get a job and there is a push to have voter ID laws in place – why is this one little issue such a point of contention?
Please don’t insult our intelligence with “the government will confiscate” craziness.
Seriously – why do you care?
@sick-read the post from Anonymous right under yours. It tells you in a nut shell what the problem is. You just can not trust the government. California did confiscate and so did Canada. If you register you are on the list and they know exactly where to go to confiscate the guns. You asked and this is why.
@sick-I also think a great part of it is that all of the research that has been done so far shows that more regulation will do nothing except penalize the law abiding gun owner and do nothing to stop the slaughter. Criminals and the criminal insane just do not care. The idea of further regulation is repulsive to those of us who have never shot anyone or committed a crime.
LVS, people out there just don’t realize what is going on. I’ve spent alot of years in the military, some of the training we had to do, some of the things I hear from friends still in. The registration WILL lead to confisgation. The more people that knew this will protest the government so much that this so called government will see how it will destroy everything if they try so maybe cooler heads will prevail. It has been seen all throughout history that gun control never works.
LVS what you should find repulsive is doing nothing and just waiting for the next mass shooting. 62 mass shootings since 1972 using 142 weapons. 106 of them were obtained legally. We need gun registration and universal back ground checks on EVERY gun sold period. We need to limit the size of clips weapons will hold. We need a ban on what is commonly call assualt weapons. We need to start identifying and helping people with mental health issues. And we need mandatory sentecing for anyone committing a crime with a gun. And then we need to figure out how to pay for all this. I am sorry LVS but don’t be repusled by more gun regulations…be repulsed by all the deaths that guns will cause while we argue and do nothing to prevent them.
maybe you used this link yesterday in a post to try and prove your point about guns used in crimes
https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt
in this same article it says “Greater gun availability increases the rates of
murder and felony gun use, but does not appear to
affect general violence levels.” and you say “It has been seen all throughout history that gun control never works.” That isn’t what your link says. Your link from yesterday says limiting guns (gun control) will bring down murder rates and gun crimes.
@happy Guy- you are certainly entitled to you opinion and I am sure we will never be able to change that. Almost everything you are saying punishes honest gun owners who have never shot or killed anyone and does almost nothing to stop the criminals who really do not care. Passing MORE laws about using guns in a unlawful manor is just plain silly. We already have laws covering that and the police just ignore most of them As far as penalizing criminals for using guns isn’t that what we do to felons right now, and isn’t it illegal for mentally ill people to buy a gun right now and it doesn’t stop them. Making more laws and adding more penalties that will not be enforced are not the answer, the answer is to treat the mentally ill people before they kill someone. Chicago now wants to put in a mandatory jail sentence for a gun crime and on the surface you would say that is good, but where are you going to put the criminals and who is going to pay to keep them in prison. Illinois prisons are already overfilled and they are shutting down prisons because they have no money to pay for them. You may disagree, but more laws are not the answer, it just makes people feel good until they get killed anyway.
I read so many articles on the subject, some for and some against. When I posted that my computer was acting up and taking over 5 minutes for a web page to load. Of the half a dozen pages I read yesterday the one that had more pages conferming the information, thats the one I tried to post but after checking the link you put there, that wasn’t the page I was trying to use. The page you posted and the one I did use didn’t have very many other pages conferming it so I apologize for posting the wrong page.
@Happy Guy-this is a little off topic but still pertains I think. I read this morning on NBC that tow little boys, one ten and one eleven were arrested for attempted murder. The ten year old had a knife and the eleven year old had stolen a gun. They were going to kill some fellow students, especially one ten year old girl because she had badmouthed them and their friends. They were going to get her alone and stab her to death and then get as many others as they could. Luckily, a student on the buss saw the knife and turned them in. This is the real problem. These boys saw nothing wrong with doing this. I don’t know how to fix this as it will take someone a lot smarter than me but this is where it is at. They don’t care and I don’t care how many laws you make, they won’t change that.
To wind down after a long day sometimes I play video games, call of duty or need for speed but I have noticed that the younger kids who play these war games are programmed that killing is fun and easy in these games so the more they play them the more they feel killing is ok. The way the economy is both parents have to work and that leaves the kids alone and video games is a cheap babysitter. If parents don’t instill morals and responsibility into their children at a younger age they will learn it from other places, friends or video games.
All legally sold firearms are registered at the point of sale.
Yes! So why would anyone care if background checks, longer waiting periods, etc were instituted? It’s obviously not the fact that the “government” knows who owns the gun, right? So what is it?
But they weren’t posting about background checks (already being done) or waiting periods. What is really being asked for is a local list of those who own guns.
California requires registration of SKS rifles, later uses the registration list to confiscate those rifles.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/xcibviewitem.asp?id=195
Could you quote a less credible news source than that?
Nice ad hominem.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/97-98/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/ab_48_bill_19980618_amended_sen.html
The greatest sniper in the history of the world gets gunned down while armed, I don’t think those security guards that will probably be making minimum wage stand a chance!
@Anonymous, your argument is crazy. Yes Kyls was murdered but it was by someone he concidered a friend and he had his back turned. The fact that Kyle was armed has absolutly nothing to do with it. Being on guard duty means you are watching everybody and if somebody comes in that you don’t know you are extra weary.
He knew the man was mentally unstable. He made a mistake and it cost him his life. If anything it proves that keeping guns out of the hands of mental cases should be a top priority for society.
I have no problem with what you said here but the previous posting your statement because Kyle was murdered any security guard making minimum wage would have no chance, thats the part I have a problem with.
@maybe I just look at some of the so called security guards and most of them are over weight and out of shape. I have known a few and they said they were not trained properly to handle any type of crisis situation and were making $8.00 hr. If they are willing to pay good money with benefits they can get good people but you know that won’t happen.
You are proabaly right there in some cases but not all cases. There are thousands of prior service veterans out there that are NOT suffering from PTSD that have been properly trained that would love to have a job, any job expecially one protecting children.
It’s getting so you cant tell the difference between prisons and schools.
I pay taxes on every car I buy, even if it was from a relative. I have had to register and license every car I have owned. What is so wrong with doing the same with guns? If you are a law abiding person this shouldn’t be a problem. The only time it would be a problem is if you are trying to hide something.
The NRA are lobbyists for gun manufacturers, not gun owners as they pretend to be.
If Joe Smith drives his car through a playground full of kids should you be required to give up your pickup truck?
Show me all the law abiding citizens that have had to give up their guns. Scare tactics only work on conspiracy theorists like maybe.
no…but it should still be registered and licenced. No one is asking anyone to give up what they already have.
There is a BIG difference between cars and guns in this analogy you are trying to make here. A car is manufactured and sold under the pretense that it will drive you from point a to point b in the most efficient and safe manner. A gun is manufactured and sold under the pretense that you us it to kill things.
@Happy Guy-same old Blah, blah, blah from you. Couldn’t you find anything new to copy and paste from those liberal sites?
lvs more of you showing off your stupidity. I guess my prayers for you last night weren’t answered. Sorry but I did try. I guess it proves stupid is as stupid does.
Privilege vs. right. Taxable vs. non-taxable.
I must have read and heard 1000 times that “cars kill so why not ban cars too?” That in itself makes my comparison very fair and valid. But even if it wasn’t there is no reason guns should not be registered. If you are a law abiding citizen why should you care?
@happy-why don’t you try going
after the criminals instead of the law abiding people. The criminals are the ones who kill people.
Katie is right, owning and driving a car is a Privilege therefore taxable but gun ownership is a Right therefors NON taxable.
I am all in favor of going after criminals. This could prove to be a useful tool in helping out law enforcement to go after them.
Katie correct me if I am wrong but don’t you pay a sales tax when you buy a gun or ammo? I know you used to. I have yet to hear any logical reason not to register every gun sold.
@happy, yes we do pay taxes on ammo. Matter of fact I saw a box of 50 32 acp ammo selling for 50.00. That a dollar a round and a 32 is very a small caliber. Can you imagine how much the larger caliber ammo are selling for?
Books are free speech and they are taxed. please post a reference that says rights are not taxable.
@happy-your question doesn’t make sense. Do you really think criminals are going to register their guns. Do you think they really care. All that is going to happen is you are going to penalize innocent people who have done nothing wrong. I really don’t know why you can’t see that.
@ Anonymous, let me explain this. Guns are taxable, ammo is taxable, books are taxable. My right to own a gun or ammo or a book is NOT taxable.
LVS you still haven’t said what would be wrong with registering firearms. And which question don’t you understand? I will try and rewrite it for you.
75% of guns used in mass shootings since 1972 have been legally purchased. If the gun is found and the shooter isn’t, having firearms registered will give law enforcement a good place to start an investigation. I reallize that we are not going to stop all gun violence no matter what actions are taken. I also know a common criminal will attempt to buy firearms illegally. But most individuals that have been involved in mass shootings aren’t your ordinary common criminal.
We need to start somewhere and registering all gun sales seems to me to be a good starting point. Now instead of calling me names or making a statement about copy and pasting or your famous BLAH BLAH BLAH, tell me what is so wrong with gun registration.
@happy, where did you get your facts about 75% of weapons used in violent crimes were bought legally? This is what I found,
“According to the latest available data, those
who use guns in violent crimes rarely purchase
them directly from licensed dealers; most guns
used in crime have been stolen or transferred
between individuals after the original purchase.”
and here is the link, https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt
Now let me ask you this, is this your opinion or your fact?
maybe reread my post. I said 75% of guns used in mass shootings since 1972 were bought legally. Nothing about a percentage of guns used in violent crimes. Big difference.
maybe here is one of my links that proves my point http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022210307
maybe also using your link https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt
I found this: “Greater gun availability increases the rates of
murder and felony gun use, but does not appear to
affect general violence levels. Thus if we reduce the number of guns we will reduce the rate of murders and gun violence.
@maybe I have rights and privileges and neither is taxable if I don’t use them to buy anything. Driving is a privilege but if I don’t get a license or buy a car I’am not taxed. Bearing arms is a right but if I don’t buy a gun I’am not taxed. Sorry if I don’t see the difference sometimes I’m just slow.
@Anonymous, I am not really talking about buying a gun or a car. I am saying that I have the right to own a gun and that right is not taxable. Now if I wanted to buy a gun sure the government wants their part so I will have to pay taxes but the right is undeniable.
Why do we register cars? We register them to tax them, plain and simple. Those taxes support numerous government activities, typically related to maintaining the extensive infrastructure related to the use and misuse of cars. Incidental to registration is that cars are provided with license plates that make them uniquely identifiable in public. Thereby, if police wish to chase a particular vehicle containing someone who is suspected of committing some crime, the vehicle can be differentiated readily from the numerous other similar cars on the road. However, hot pursuit of handguns is unheard of. When it comes to recovering a stolen vehicle, the serial number on the engine is ultimately the most important identification since license plates can be taken off easily, or replaced with stolen plates that don’t belong to that car. All modern firearms similarly come from the factory with serial numbers. Recently, we have used registration of cars to insure compliance with smog regulations; this is hardly applicable to firearms.
We license drivers to collect taxes, and to be sure that drivers have mastered the rather complex set of motor skills to actually operate a vehicle and to be able to safely navigate amongst the other cars they share the road with. There is also a large body of laws that specifically proscribe complex legal behavior while operating a vehicle on a public roadway – dotted yellow lines, solid yellow lines, double yellow lines, etc. We also license drivers to be sure that they don’t have any physical impairments that would make them a hazard on the road to other drivers. Having a physical impairment rarely prevents anyone from shooting a gun. In fact, they may have a greater need for a gun than those who don’t have physical handicaps and can run away or fight back against an assailant.
Now, recognizing those above-mentioned reasons for registration and licensing, it should be noted that there is no requirement for either if a car is not going to be driven on public roads. That is, if one only drives their vehicle on private land, there is no requirement for registration or licensing. If you want to buy a classic vehicle and park it in your garage and admire it, there is no requirement for registration or licensing. If you choose not to use a car for a year or more, you do not have to license it and you are not at risk of having it confiscated. And, you can buy as many cars as you like, with as powerful an engine as you like, with the only restriction being what you can personally afford. Again, driving a car is a legal privilege that only requires registration and licensing if used on public roadways. By analogy, anyone wanting a gun for self-defense in their home or business should not have to register their gun or obtain a license.
Target shooters usually use their guns at privately owned ranges, so there is no co
They do take it out in public to get to the range so just like the car it should be registered.