A Christian group called the American Family Association is urging other Christians to prevent the Boy Scouts from allowing gays into the organization.
According to the AFA, on May 23, Boy Scout leaders will meet with scout leaders across the nation to vote on whether or not to amend its longstanding membership policy restricting open and avowed homosexuals.
“This is why your involvement is so desperately important,” the AFA said this week.
“We believe scouting should not include homosexual men who go on overnight camping trips with young boys.”
The organization is urging Christians to contact their local Boy Scout Council to vote against a resolution to change the current policy – which forbids gays from volunteering – and then offered a petition to sign that would go to the Boy Scouts on May 22nd.
“We believe scouting should not cave to political correctness in the form of social experimentation,” the AFA said. “Will you take a few minutes to help the millions of boys who will be affected by this vote?”
The Boy Scouts of America confirmed in 2012 its policy barring openly gay people from participation.
The Supreme Court ruled in 2000 by a 5-to-4 vote that the Boy Scouts have a constitutional right to exclude gay members, the New York Times reported, because opposition to homosexuality is part of the organization’s ”expressive message.”
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Scout Oath
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.
50 MILES SOUTH
March 21, 2013 at 1:36 am
Ok I understand and agree. however… given the option to have a gay man or a straight man babysit your minor child. Lets say a man you DO NOT KNOW because parents may not actually know the BS leader. which would you choose? “Odds are better”, “lesser of two evils” how ever you want to say it. I think you would pick the straight man.
You said “lesser of 2 evils”. What evils? “Odds”? Whatever…You keep skewing and confusing what I post.
I give up.
Bottom line is you never know who might harm your kids. Sandusky was just as example of someone parents thought they could trust. Doesn’t mean walk around fearful and paranoid. Just be cautious. That’s why it’s good to educate children when they are old enough to understand. If not then don’t leave them alone with people if you don’t trust them.
There are parents who abuse their own kids.
straight man babysit your minor child. Lets say a man you DO NOT KNOW because parents may not actually know the BS leader. which would you choose? “Odds are better”, “lesser of two evils” how ever you want to say it. I think you would pick the straight man.
You said “lesser of 2 evils”. What evils? “Odds”? Whatever…You keep skewing and confusing what I post.
I give up.
“Odds are better”, “lesser of two evils” how ever you want to say it.
these were meant as phrases to use as an example or analogy to help make a decision on which man to choose. “Odds are better” that I wont pick a molester if I choose the straight man. lesser of two evils was maybe a bad example to use because neither person may not be a bad person. I was NOT CALLING ANYONE EVIL. again it was just an phrase.
50 MILES SOUTH
March 21, 2013 at 1:36 am
Ok I understand and agree. however… given the option to have a gay man or a straight man babysit your minor child. Lets say a man you DO NOT KNOW because parents may not actually know the BS leader. which would you choose? “Odds are better”, “lesser of two evils” how ever you want to say it. I think you would pick the straight man
Now you’re confusing me. If you don’t know for sure which way they are how can you pick “lesser of 2 evils”? And I see only one evil. The pedophile.
As I stated “homosexuality doesn’t give greater odds they are a pedophile.”
Pedophiles are masters at “pretending” to be honorable and “straight” as in Sanduskys case. Many parents trusted him above a gay man. An outwardly gay man is at least willing to be honest about who they are. Given what I’ve learned over the years both are suspect along with any person my child is left in the hands of. And they’re under my scrutiny. So I would train my child to look for the signs of abuse and to tell me. Education is the key to preventing or stopping abuse.
anonymous wrote: “If you don’t know for sure which way they are how can you pick “lesser of 2 evils”? And I see only one evil. The pedophile.”
I never said or meant to say that one of them was a pedophile. My point is that nobody knows who is the pedophile. Much like your statements here.
“As I stated “homosexuality doesn’t give greater odds they are a pedophile.”
Pedophiles are masters at “pretending” to be honorable and “straight” as in Sanduskys case.”
Lets take a look at the sandusky case. is he actually straight? Gay, Bi, or in the closet? I truly believe that he is one of the last three. and will go ahead and use your own words. He was a master at pretending to be honorable and “straight”. which to me does not classify him as heterosexual. to me, he is a closet homosexual, gay, Bi, as well as being a pedophile and pervert.
“So I would train my child to look for the signs of abuse and to tell me. Education is the key to preventing or stopping abuse”.
You can try and teach your kids much like the teachings in schools in recent years. But this problem still exists. Kids are kids and dont understand when they are being stalked. thats why we parents need to do as much as we can to prevent any harm to them. and if simply picking a straight man over a gay man to be in charge of your kids. well then Id say its just one more chance of preventing a problem.
here is another analogy. if looking at two cars to buy that “appear” to be identical. same miles, year, make, everything. only one has bad tires. (bad tires does not mean gays are bad) which do you choose? some would say if you choose the one with bad tires you are prejudice against the other car. much like some may be prejudice against gay because they were not picked.
What if it’s a girl child?
now you’ve gone and gotten me all messed up. I dont have a daughter
The American Family Association, should be named the Extremely Homophobic Sex Obsessed Misogynist White Men Association.
They do not focus on anything positive or family related. It’s all sex all the time.
From their website, you find out that their sole purpose in life is “inform, equip, and activate individuals to strengthen the moral foundations of American culture”…
In other words, they are nothing more than a bunch of whacks from the red state twilight zone committed to ramming their version of baby jesus down our throats.
We should treat them and Lindsey Lohan the same way – if we ignore them, they’ll go away.
Sickastupid wrote:
“In other words, they are nothing more than a bunch of whacks from the red state twilight zone committed to ramming their version of baby jesus down our throats”.
this is what most religion is. As ive said before. People committed to ramming their version of baby jesus down our throats. thank you for agreeing with me. Now ive said this and much more on here before. I am not a christ basher. I still have many many more posts to give before I even come close to all the times Ive had to listen to religious people rant. tyvm
@50 miles-you have to forgive her. She just got out of 5 East and needs to go back for a refresher.
@50 Miles – exactly! I don’t know what’s worse. The hypocrisy of these “religions” or the fact that they don’t realize they’re hypocrites.
The saddest part of the whole “religious right” is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with any god on record. Christianity is based on goodness and acceptance. The American Family Association and the like are based on hatred and exclusion.
Thanks for agreeing 🙂
Must be some bad stuff in the tea or wine. Thankfully I don’t drink either.
I find it sick too that Americans froth at the mouth waiting to hear more news about Lindsay Lohan types. Media and the public is enabling their dis-function. I can’t understand having actors as idols.
a persons sexual preference has nothing to do with being a scout or a scout leader. Boy Scouts is not an organization about sex or sex education. It is about teaching a boy how to become a good and honest man. A good man that is gay is just as capable of teaching a boy to become a good man as a straight man is.
@happy guy- I agree with your post. When politics gets involved only the boys will suffer.
It’s not “polititians” getting involved. It’s “religious phanatics”.
WWJD
@anonymous-same thing isn’t it?
Exactly.. And not allowing homosexuals goes against what they teach.
how so? aren’t they teaching young men to become honorable men? You don’t have to be straight to teach that.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m agreeing with you. That’s what exactly meant. All my posting has been about how homosexuality shouldn’t keep them from being good leaders. They could even be better leaders and more honest and trustworthy than some heterosexual men.
sorry. I misunderstood your post.
I achieved my eagle scout award and worked at the Winnebago Scout Reservation and Camp Igwanis several summers and NEVER saw or even thought of such things.
Neither does anybody else, John. Kids join for the fun, the adventure, the sense of belonging, the character building skills.
Why would they exclude one specific group of kids or adults who would volunteer based on their sexual preference? It would be like excluding red heads. Why? What does that have to do with the boy scout activities?
Seem odd to me that the Boy Scouts is about scouting, not sex. Why are gays at any age wanting to throw their so called gay beliefs into the world of scouting? They are two different things. Sex should not be anywhere in the Boy Scouts teaching and learning curve. Morality is not about sex it is about leading a life that doesn’t’ hurt others.
What sticks out to me is, why all the talk and worry about a homosexual kid getting into scouting. If a child wants to learn about scouting then he should do that. Don’t bring your sexual thoughts into the scouts. What is so hard about that.
I was in scout for many years and we never discussed sex or was burdened by it.
This whole gay thing is lame.
So you are saying it shouldn’t make any difference if a scout or a scout leader is gay or straight as long as they teach the scout principles,which I’m not positive what they are but hope they are good, and don’t talk or preach about homosexual OR heterosexual life style. I agree.
I would assume that the BSA does not want gay leaders in charge of minor children. And not so much eliminating young gay children from the BSA. Really… how many younger children are out?. admitting or understanding they are gay. would you hire an unknown gay man to babysit your 7 year old boy?
Not picking on you but….sounds like you’re assuming all homosexual males are pedophiles. They aren’t. Correct me if my assumption is wrong.
As I posted before sexual orientation doesn’t define pedophilia. It’s an individual thing. It saddens and frightens me that in this day and age with all the information on cases that people still have archaic beliefs. Some still believe boys will turn gay if they don’t have a Father figure. That’s an old wives tale.
Homosexuality is about sex only if anti homosexuality people make it an agenda. Homosexuals don’t generaly go around broadcasting or promoting it. It’s in the limelight when and because they are fighting for their civil rights. They are trying to get peole to stop discriminating against them. There are many homosexuals who are intelligent well mannered people. There are good and bad in every walks of life. Being homosexual doesn’t mean they are pedophiles. Which I believe is why the BS leaders won’t allow them. Just as military leaders fear them in the fox hole.
Homosexuals aren’t running around looking for sex in every corner of the world.
Many boy scouts have been molested by pedophiles who are “heterosexual”. They join clubs such as the BS to find victims. Can you explain that?
I agree with most of your statements. however Id like to know where you get your information pertaining this statement. “Many boy scouts have been molested by pedophiles who are “heterosexual”. They join clubs such as the BS to find victims.” what proof do you have that they are ONLY heterosexual? and not
bi or in the closet. maybe im wrong, im not a DR. but to me it makes sense that a person that molests same sex children is gay, bi, or simply doesnt admit they are.
Tho maybe not a scout leader…Jerry Sandusky projected to the public that he is straight and was married. Just google “boys molested scout leaders.” One of the worst leaders was the BTK killer from Whichita Kansas. He may not have been molester. He was worse! He was also a church leader. He was married and suposedly straight.
Maybe the molesters were bi. Doesn’t matter concerning my point that not ALL homeosexual males will molest children. In cases of predetors, sexual orientation isn’t the key factor as to whether or not they will molest.
If BS is about turning young men into good citizens and want them to follow the 12 points then religion should be left ut of the admision criteria. Tolerence should be added to the point list. imho.
Also… I did NOT say they were ONLY heterosexual. I said:
“Many boy scouts have been molested by pedophiles who are “heterosexual”. They join clubs such as the BS to find victims. Can you explain that? ”
M-a-n-y. Not Only.
I guess I dont understand your comment. I did not mean that you said “ONLY heterosexuals molest.” I meant that the molesters may be gay, bi, or still in the closet (jerry sandusky)rather than being an actual heterosexual. I am not a gay basher either. I am an antique dealer and have quite a few gay friends. Many gays are artistic and have a flair for the finer things in life. (and have the money to pay for them too). there are many gays in the antique business.
These are children we are talking about in the BS. and we need to take steps to protect them from a POSSIBLE problem. However the military is a totally different thing. these are adults that are mature enough to make their own decisions. unlike minor children. would you let your 7 year old child stay with a practicing devil worshiper? A known drunk? A drug addict? or something like that who you DONT KNOW? call it an insurance policy.
so the bsa should be forced to change the scout oath to accomadate the gays how about the 12 points of the scout law. all the gays who ever stood before their familys and scout troops that recited the oath and pledge broke any number of scout laws that they so solomenly swore to uphold.
While the BS is born a “relious” group being homosexual doesn’t define the total person. I don’t understand how being homosexual means they can’t follow the 12 points.
Boy Scout Law
A Scout is:
•Trustworthy,
•Loyal,
•Helpful,
•Friendly,
•Courteous,
•Kind,
•Obedient,
•Cheerful,
•Thrifty,
•Brave,
•Clean,
•and Reverent
Just a thought, why don’t homosexuals start their own clubs, then there wouldn’t be these problems among different groups. It looks as if nothing is sacred any more.
However more straight men are molesters..so that kind of shoots that idea all to all, eh?
No, I don’t think that it does. The article is about keeping homosexuals out of the boy scouts, not the number of straight men being molesters.
wow…are you related to LVS? One of the reason they don’t want homosexuals in Boy Scouts is because they think they’ll molest the boys. You’re twisting my point to fit yur agenda.
wow…are you related to LVS? One of the reason they don’t want homosexuals in Boy Scouts is because they think they’ll molest the boys. If they denied for religious reasons that would be illegal. You’re twisting my point to fit yur agenda.
Why should they have to do that? Isn’t that called “segregation”? So should they also go sit on the back of the bus? Not vote? Have separate bathrooms. Their own armed forces? This is 2013 not 1713. Why don’t those being discriminatory stop being discriminatory?
It’s obvious that there are some people that don’t want them in their group/club. You can call it “segregation”/discrimination or what ever you want, but the feeling is still there. So what you are saying is that if someone doesn’t like something, it should be forced on them anyway.
The Boy/Cub scouts are a private club, therefore they (the BSA) could ban one-legged midgets, if they so choose.
Yes, the sacred right to hate. Whatever happened to that?
From the comments that are posted on this site, I think that it is still around. You know that if you don’t agree with every post on this site, that there’s something wrong with you. The sheeple are among us…and they are witch hunting.
The only difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals is their choice of partners. Elsewise they put their pants on one leg at a time just like you do.
If their parents were religious they most likely were brought up with all the religious teachings you did. Then picture this….at 17-18 they realize they are attracted to the same sex. But now people are wanting them to feel shame about who they are and to toss all they’ve been taught about God’s love and all they’ve felt and believed for 18 yrs. out the window. Out of their heart and soul. Why don’t you try that? Then you’d maybe understand how difficult that would be for a homosexual.
I’m not homosexual. And I’m not God. I’m just another human with tolerence for others. As I was taught to have.
So many Republican men have had gay fantasies that they believe it’s a choice.
I know some who don’t just have fantacies. I know one (a Republican political hiarchy)that to picked up married salesmen at the local motel.
From the story:
“We believe scouting should not include homosexual men who go on overnight camping trips with young boys.”
This is a truely ignorant statement. First of all…..being homosexual doesn’t equate to being a pedophile. Many MORE heterosexual males ARE pedophiles. Does the name “Jerry Sandusky” mean anything to these bozos?!
It’s ignorance that does more harm to our children. But shamefully that ignorance gets handed down generation to generation. And no amount of proven studies will change their closed minds. Meanwhile more children will continue to be raped by supposadly “Christian” trustful men.
where has it been proven that there are no more closet gays. what proof do you have that Jerry Sandusky wasnt a closet gay or bisexual? To me if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it just might be a duck. not saying that i hate gays. just saying that I also dont let my child play with a sharp knife. nor do I let him play in the street. better safe than sorry.
You obviously missed my point in using him for an example.. Which was that just because someone projects to the public that they are heterosexual and can be trusted, that doesn’t mean they are. I don’t have to prove anytrhing. The proof is in his actions.
Ok I understand and agree. however… given the option to have a gay man or a straight man babysit your minor child. Lets say a man you DO NOT KNOW because parents may not actually know the BS leader. which would you choose? “Odds are better”, “lesser of two evils” how ever you want to say it. I think you would pick the straight man.
THIS JUST IN: the AFA has also determined that catholic priests are molesting way more children than boy scout leaders. they are requesting that you contact them and provide your support against ALL chomos. the website is http://www.afa.net/. fairness and equality for all!!!
Nobody wants to be a homophobe with you. Go away. Even the republicans are starting to figure it out.