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MC Council shoots down $327K solar energy project for public library

Mason City Library
Mason City Library

MASON CITY – The Mason City council has indicated it will not go through with a $327,000 solar energy project at the Mason City library.

The Mason City Library Board approved the project previously. Solar panels would have been installed on the flat roofs of the library. The solar energy plant would have potentially saved $30,000 or more in energy costs annually for the city. The library board selected a low bidder to complete the solar plant installation, Perry Novak Electric, Inc. of Decorah, Iowa at a cost of $327,000. The library received a grant from Kinney-Lindstrom of $25,000 and if the project was complete and operational by October 31, 2014, the library would have been eligible for an Alliant Energy Rebate of $25,000.

At a city council work session held Tuesday, July 29, the following discussion was undertaken by the council regarding the feasibility of moving ahead with the library’s solar project, with the council ultimately deciding to scrap the idea.

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Scott Tornquist
Scott Tornquist

Tornquist stated a few weeks ago he had asked questions related to technical aspects of the project and Kuhn had a lot of very good questions regarding the financials and after review of this packet while he still had some questions on the technical side they were taking a back seat because he had significant concerns regarding the financials and unless the financial hurdles could be cleared everything technical was a moot point. He explained why the Council was looking at this emphasizing the Library Director and Board had done a very good job of trying to get ahead of the budget issues. He also stated if he was a member of the Library Board he would be entirely in favor of the project, but the problem he had was the Council had to look at the bottom line for the taxpayers, noting this project would cost reduce Library operations by approximately $22,000 a year in utility cost which was good for the Library operation but for the community to put the Library in that spot, the Council had to issue $361,000 in bonds and those were 10 year bonds. He advised he had talked to Finance Director Jacobson who had informed him that the interest on the bonds to be issued was approximately $35,000 so in round numbers, $400,000 for a 10 year debt to be able to put the Library in a position to cost reduce $22,000 a year and that was $40,000 spent annually as a community to save $22,000. He further stated it was a project, that according to the information in the packet had a 16½ year payback, but when adding the debt of $35,000 a year and saving $22,000 it basically put the payback at 18 years and stressed he really struggled with that. He further stated he did not think he had ever supported a Capital project that had more than a 10 year payback and noted even economic development opportunities and tax incentives generally had a 10 year payback for the taxpayers. He also mentioned a baby born this summer would graduate from high school before this project was net even for the taxpayers and at that point in time it had 7 years life cycle remaining before the solar panels were worn out and had to be removed and then they were back to where they were right now which was status quo exactly or another solar project for replacement. He concluded his comments by stating he was in favor of talking about projects that could cost reduce operations, but thought rather than solving a problem this was shifting it and for him to be comfortable it, it would have to have a 10 year payback or better.

Alex Kuhn
Alex Kuhn

Kuhn thanked everyone for the information, advising he wished the Council had had it sooner and referenced the GO Bonds and the Library Electricity Usage Reduction Project, explaining based on his notes, the Council had been told it would be an 8 to 9 year payback, but the analysis done by Energy Consultants Group dated May 22nd stated the cash payback on the solar alone was 16.1 years. He expressed concern over what the community had originally been told was the return on investment versus what it actually was (16.1 years), stressing the Council would never have known that unless they had requested the information and that was bothersome to him. He also referred to the other projects that were supposed to bring this to net zero in 7, 8 or 9 years which were not in the Capital Improvements budget, not part of the cost analysis and not budgeted by the City and he wasn’t sure when those projects would be scheduled and paid for with Library Director Markwalter stating the consultant had suggested doing one project at a time, but completing them all within a year. She also stated staff had written grants with the biggest being strategically placed windows.

Kuhn questioned the other pieces (modified geo thermal and LED) and whether the Library was planning on completing it this fiscal year with Markwalter stating “if we had funding for it, yes”.

Tornquist stated he did not know if the other 3 projects were germane to the Solar Panel Project and saw them all as stand alone projects. He referred to the window project stating the savings quoted wasn’t right and he did not know who was telling her that the HVAC wouldn’t be running for 4 or 5 months but that was a bunch of baloney explaining hot air rises, there were high ceilings and it was a brick façade and there was a high thermal transfer across that wall, even at night when the sun went down, so it wouldn’t be minimized much at all and they would still have to run all the motors on all the equipment to circulate air or there would be stratification and while there would be some savings it wouldn’t be a $18,000 payback on a $29,000 investment. He stressed this underscored one of the concerns Kuhn and he had shared with Trout in that as well intended as the Library Board and staff were there was non-technical people making technical decisions and there had to be a check point with the Engineering Department to make sure they were making the right technical decisions and even though there was a grant for windows he would urge that be looked at closely.

John Lee
John Lee

Lee stated his biggest concern was the 16 year payback, advising he had talked to a friend who was in heating and cooling (not solar) who was surprised the City was considering a 16 year payback because in his world 5 to 7 years was what everyone was doing and over 7 was a “no go”. He also stated that individual dealt with purely performance based contracts and asked if that was looked at with Markwalter stating they had looked at it as a couple of pieces and yes the payback for just solar was long, but when looking at windows and other things that brought the total price down.

Lee reiterated 16 years was a long time with Markwalter concurring if only the solar was done.

Administrator Trout reviewed the information he had received regarding a purchase power agreement (3rd party ownership) and who might be interested in that.

Janet Solberg
Janet Solberg

Solberg thanked everyone for their technical knowledge, but mentioned her husband had severe allergies and she would never consider putting in those types of windows and also wasn’t excited about a 16 year payback.

Marinos stated she really admired the Library Board for taking the initiative and moving forward with this, but was very uncomfortable with a 16 year payback.

Tornquist asked if the bonds could be used for other Library projects or only for a solar project with Trout stating he would have to check into that.

Further Council discussion followed regarding bonding and PPA (Purchase Power Agreement).

Tornquist emphasized in the end he was looking at a payback to the taxpayer that was 10 years or less and minimized exposure and he really wasn’t excited about 18 years with a debt service payback on a project that was basically kicking the can to the next generation.

Travis Hickey
Travis Hickey

Hickey referred to the 10 year warranty and asked how the City would pay for repairs after 10 years with Trout stating the Council would have to set aside money.

Kuhn stated he has been supportive of this since January and listed the reasons why, but stressed at that time the Council was told the payback was 7½ to 9 years and now it was 16.1 years and when adding on the debt service it was close to a $400,000 financial obligation from the City or a 18 to 20 year return on a system that had a life cycle of 25 years and he had a tough time finding out that information only a few hours prior to the July Council Meeting.

Russell Novak with Perry Novak addressed some of the questions including the price per watt, micro inverter and panel warranties, inflation and provided a brief overview of PPA, advising the PPA would not get the payback under 10 years unless there was a larger buyout at the end of the PPA.

Tornquist referred to the solar panel warranty from a company called ET stating he had concerns with that company.

A member of the audience advised the Council they were no longer looking at ET with Tornquist stating he had read 100 pages of ET material this weekend and while he did have issues with ET because they were built in China he could not now talk intelligently about warranty because he did not have information on the other product.

Jean Marinos
Jean Marinos

Marinos reiterated if there was some way this could be reworked so it was less than a 16 year payback she would entertain looking at it again and commended the Board for taking a chance on this with Lee stating if they could get it down to 10 years he would be interested.

Tornquist stated it appeared for a solar project to make sense it the City would have to go bigger (not just one building) and get into a position of putting power on the grid for credits.

Eric Bookmeyer
Eric Bookmeyer

Mayor Bookmeyer stated it appeared there was a general consensus to not move forward with the project because of payback concerns.

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A library….. now don’t tell me, that’s that ol’ fashioned place where they hold phone books, books not scanned in yet from 1970 with words that aren’t too big (average reading level of MCPL is 8th grade) casette tapes and a coffee shop… oh wait, that coffee shop left too. I think I saw a bunch of ol’ ladies down there who didn’t know how to Google stuff holding their weekly knitting club. I’m glad we invest in this sort of intellectual freedom ’cause otherwise I’d be stuck with my…

The city should invest in windmill and install them near a windfarm were there is transmission lines and substations. Sale the electricity to alliant and get credit for city needs. The city could fund one or two and then let citizens of the city invest in building additional ones. Yes citizens would make some money off of them but they spend a lot of the money in town. Look at the ethanol plant and how they were formed. Golden grain energy member are now making money and quite a bit of it.

@What-That would work except from what I have heard Alliant is starting to turn down excess power from the windmills. It cost a lot more than other sources so they are turning off the windmills. Without the taxpayer subsidy’s the whole windmill thing would have failed long ago.

Hooking into the transmission system will drive up the cost by millions. So unless you are building a very large system that isn’t going to be cost effective. Also you then will have to sell on the open market. Either you find someone to sign a purchase power agreement or take the chance you will find a buyer real time. The most cost effective method is to offset your own usage and bank the excess. But even then there is an extended payback.

Don’t kid your self. Florida power and light has several windmill farms in the area. There is money in it or they would not be doing it. Wait until I see mid Americas project in the pipe line. Yes there are obsticals but the biggest is the utility company’s that don’t want to share the riches. One other thing wind power and solar are making huge strides in payback and efficiencies. By the way what is the real cost of coal fired eletrecal plants. They are unhealthy and causing climate.

@what-I am going to disagree with you. If you pull the government subsidy’s from wind it would fall flat almost instantly. That is not a industry that can stand on it’s own. The cost of wind is about 40% more than coal. Coal is very clean today with the new technology. It burns without almost any immission.

@waht-cont. solar is currently almost as bad although they are making improvements and will get there someday. Right now the return on solar is prohibitive. Without subsidy’s it would fail as well. The start up is just to expensive. Philly is correct in that solar works pretty well on a small individual basis but the investment is just to high for most commercial business.

You obiviously have no concept about energy subsidies.

Do you even realize the amount of government subsidies that the coal industry has recieved over the decades?

Oh wait, for you that would be an inconvenient truth.

Excellent work by the City Council on this proposed solar project. Plus a correct
and financially prudent decision not to support it. Pay back way to long. Should be
accomplished in no longer than 7 years. This was not even close to a good deal.

@Pat-This time I agree. The council finally did something right.

Councilman Lee is quite right regarding the payback for solar electricity. 5 to 7 year payback is fast is also on it’s way down.

It was a good decision to table solar for further review.

Xsun, a California company seems headed for some significant cost reductions resulting is 3 and 4 year pay backs. At least that is what they are claiming.

First Solar, GE, and other companies are going to be right on their heals.

What strikes me afoul about this is the quote of $327,000. Keep checking to find an outfit who will do it for less. That seems grossly inflated. Has the Council talked with Tom Hurd of Spatial Design Architects? I would think a combination wind turbines/solar panels could be erected for far less. And is this taking into consideration switching to LED lights versus incandescent or florescent? How much power really does the Library eat up? I’m assuming they’re still on natural gas.

And the God’s honest truth is when they did those million dollar renovations some years back, that was the time when they should have incorporated solar / wind into the equation and planned accordingly with the design of the building. How is it that everyone else seems to be able to work on a tight budget, yet the city seems to need millions to accomplish what everyone else can do for a hundred thousand? Remember the Central Park renovations? The Streetscapes?

Peter, you are the green guru here right? Check out this page and tell me what you think, would it work during the winter months?

http://www.truthandaction.org/simple-solar-furnace-under-50/

Not anymore than the next person. I’ve been a proponent of renewable energy since the early nineties. Deriving electrical current from a photo crystalline panel or wind powered turbine…who doesn’t like free energy? I’m not an electrical engineer but I have a fascination with electricity. I built my first solar water heater in 1998 and was overjoyed to see usable hot water coming out of the tap from the sun. It’s an amazing feeling to warm your house with 70 degree angled glass.

you didn’t answer my question

I watched the video. Yes, I like what this guy was doing. However I would suggest running a low powered air duct intake fan to draw the warm air from the hot box, as well as continuing the loop from the home to the box, back to the home. 90 angle may be okay for Oregon but in Iowa you would need to tilt the glass / box to 70 angle to receive maximum winter solstice sun. But overall I like this, and may even incorporate something like this in the home I’m building. Great job Maybe

What I was thinking was during the winter if we lost electricity.

Also, he should put a proper back on the box (not a piece of plastic!) , use rigid foam insulation all along the back and sides, use cement board over top the insulation and then tile the back (for heat retention). Paint everything flat black with high temperature Stove Paint…then seal it up with high temperature caulking. I’ve built solar hot boxes before and achieved internal temperatures of 390 degrees in summertime direct sun. Use double insulated glass not single pane.

Actually just forget about the drying tubing (since that could burn up in high heat). Just tile directly overtop the cement board and paint it flat black. Place black stones inside as well. The air can circulate through the box into your home with a low powered solar DC fan, but keep the loop flowing so air is drawn from the house back into the hot box, and into the home…not into the outdoors like this guy was doing. That’s my opinion anyway. I’d like to compare my version to his.

While watching that video I was thinking about stones but couldn’t figure out where to put them. I am planning on building one of those for my mother for this winter. How hot does it get in there in the winter?

I’m sorry, I see that he does connect the outtake hose to the box to circulate in a loop. He didn’t do a good job of showing that, but I see from the still photo that he does have a white tube connecting from the house. Even that should be black in my opinion. This guy does an elementary job with his design. I believe my design is better, and I’ve built mine using recycled materials for just as cheap as the $50 he talks about. I cooked a pizza in mine, and made eggs in a skillet.

I remember seeing the oven thermometer around 200 on bright sunny days in winter. I never had mine totally sealed up as I was constantly testing things. On my water heater during summer(I had a lighter design) The temperature would get to around 250, and then drop to a working temperature of 140 when water began circulating through my TACO circulating cartridge (Menard’s plumbing section).

Explain alittle more about the stones? I have used stones in the past while camping out in the winter so I know it would work but do you have to have them at the bottom? I was also thinking of a screen from the old big screen TV’s or is glass better?

No, use regular glass, double insulated patio door glass works perfectly. Just make sure it’s not tinted or shaded to block sun out. Low Emission glass can work against you if it’s not facing the proper direction. The stones can just be stacked up over top the tile; if you angle it back to 70 degrees like I suggest, they will rest on themselves. Leave an air gap clearance of 4 inches behind glass. The air will circulate around the rocks (use larger stones). Hot air outlet on top.

Thank you, I will try this. If they are not going to spend all that money for the library maybe they should build a bigger version of this solar box.

Once I get my website going, I’ll provide the link. You’ll be able to see pictures and video of the complete process of building an Earthship in Iowa, from start to finish. Earthships are like a grander version of a hot box, but with cooling features as well. For retrofits on traditional houses, yes solar hot boxes are perfect. Let me know how it goes. I put an oven thermometer in mine so I could monitor the temperatures.

@Philly-I remember those so called improvements very well. Mostly they were backed by Marinos setting up for the old whore house (Park Inn) that they love to rave about. They spent all that tax money and claim it is bringing in money but I have not seen a payback on taxes or one penny of the money. They did the whole damn central park on cost overruns that the city administrator could approve. More crooked government. They did the same thing with Northbridge.

Yeah, I remember being around seeing the Central Park torn up for about a year I believe, and all the time I kept thinking that it looked like what amounted to light landscaping/sod work that inmates from the County Jail could have been doing free of charge…or at the minimal paying workers $8 an hour day labor for. When I learned of the price tag I was blown away. And what is the city up to now? About the 3rd streetscape in 20 years? Millions in the pockets of Contractors. FLEECED.

Basically winning city government positions is synonymous with fleecing taxpayers out of millions of dollars;this is why city elections are so contentious. When you get to small towns, people don’t behave like that, and city officials are often unpaid volunteers. When those towns want things, they use volunteers and donations. In larger areas, the taxbase is higher, and millions become available to splurge and spend. People should refuse to pay taxes for TEN YEARS and bring it all down.

@Philly-it is called payoff to the mayors friends and partners in crime. It is pure bull crap. It all about hobby’s for the haves and elites. They keep saying it will bring money into town but we never see any and they just keep raising cost time after time.

@Philly-as I recall the original cost was around 350K to put down new sod and trim some trees. By the time they got done with all the add on’s it was right at a million dollars. I bitched about it but of course it does no good.

The ol’ “Eadmar”(I know,..I spelled it wrong) Hotel LVS…LOL. I never got a chance to visit those skanky ho’s as I was too young man. We’re they any good? Feedback appreciated.

Oh, and maybe…you proved to me today…you’re alright ya ol’ seadog.
I’m okay, you’re okay, and that’s okay…okay?

LVS,…? You’re alright too man. I’ve seen worse…LOL. Have a nice weekend Wildman.(Y)

@Rocko-Damn, I had almost forgotten about the Edmar. It was another whore house but not on the level with the Park Inn. I used to drive taxi back in the day and would pick the girls up at the airport and deliver them there and to the old Greystone above Sam Raizes.

Anyone have any stories about the United Cigar Store? It was in the corner where the Park Inn is now…the large convention room on the corner…across from where Moormans now sits. I think it was circa 1930’s to 1950’s

@Philly-I vaugly remember my dad going in there but that was even before my time. My grandfather had the barbershop in the alley below the Park Inn though. I remember going in there for haircuts when I was young. You had to go outside to the alley and down the outside steps. There used to be a lot of business in the alleys back in the day.

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