Supreme Court upholds health-care law as tax measure
By David G. Savage, Tribune Washington Bureau -
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of President Obama’s health-care law Thursday, ruling the government may impose tax penalties on people who do not have health insurance.
The court’s long-awaited ruling rejected a broad legal attack on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act brought by Republican state officials and the National Federation of Independent Business.
The legal challenge focused on the law’s so-called mandate that all must have insurance by 2014 or pay a tax penalty.
The administration defended this requirement under Congress’s power to regulate inter-state commerce. The challengers insisted the mandate was unprecedented and unconstitutional because the federal government would be forcing Americans to buy a private product.
The ruling was not a total victory for the Obama administration.
Chief Justice Roberts, who wrote the opinion for a 5-4 majority, said the required expansion of Medicaid violates states’ rights may be unconstitutional.
“The states are given no choice in this case. They must either accept a basic change in the nature of Medicaid or risk losing all Medicaid funding,” he wrote.
He said the federal government cannot require the states to follow this part of the law.
Robert’s opinion was joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.
Justice Anthony Kennedy delivered a dissent for Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr.
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sijr
July 4, 2012 at 1:24 am
How many seniors know the Medicare monthly premiums jump to $247.00 in 2014?
Aspirin
June 30, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Another new tax…. how lucky for Americans ! DEMOCRATS = spend & tax.
I wonder if I should be purchasing an Orange/Green/White flag to display outside on July 4 ? Or maybe the ‘RED” one with the “5 gold stars” on it ? Could someone please help me on this one?
American Ballad
June 29, 2012 at 9:01 pm
American Ballad.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Now that you aggressors have had a taste of your own medicine, you seem to be calmed down and can return to debate the issue. I’ll remind you of something known as The First Stone and who threw it. Pay attention to the dates and times:
ADavid Reply
June 28, 2012 at 11:32 am
After reading this posting it now answers alot of questions I had about you peter, now instead of wanting to slap some sense into you, you now make me laugh. I now have a mental image of you, if you give me a hamburger today I will gladly pay you on tuesday.
David
June 28, 2012 at 7:58 pm
You don’t even want to go there wimpy, the fact that you even made that statement says you never even wore the uniform. Now I am back to wanting to slap you again. Let me guess, you are a demacrat? Just trying to spell it correctly made my stomach turn.
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I personally wish NIT staff would keep ALL COMMENTS in place but asteriking the swear words so we can refer back to them, to know exactly who said what, and at what time. When someone makes insults, threatens violence, and calls names, it’s difficult to track when NIT deletes and inserts their comment warning them.
Legally it may be of relevance as well.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I personally don’t mind insults and being sworn at. I just want people to know who throws the first stones and in what manner. I have thick skin and it doesn’t bother me, but what bothers me is when people throw out insults and convolute the discussion to try and cloud reality. Republicans are known for these tactics…most of it of course is based on their own ignorance. Every comment can easily be traced by date and time.
David, when you come to your senses, you’ll see that you began by saying you wanted to slap some sense into me, and called me wimpy.
My point about missing bribe money in Iraq was to remind people of the vast sums of money lost to the Iraq war, and why that may not bother them, yet money to heal the sick doesn’t. From that comment you said you wanted to slap me, and that I was wimpy.
Apology? I’ll accept it if you give it.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 7:44 pm
excuse me…I’ll clarify my point: For those who keep bringing up Solyndra, are they as equally pissed off about the Iraq war misspending which reached the billions? That was my point. And yes there were millions of dollars in bribe money that went missing, as well as contracts that were awarded to Halliburton for jobs they never fulfilled. Where’s the moral outrage about that? That’s my main point. Someone else brought it up on this thread…not me. Again, trace the timeline of who posted what.
Uptown
June 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm
And let’s face it Peter, you kind sir have dealt out your fair share of threats, insults, ect. You have been on this site for a long time, let none of us forget when you first got on here throwing your slang around. Sure, you don’t seem to use the nasty language anymore, but you too insult and make threats in a way. Matter of fact, your legality gesture on here, is a threat. If you can’t hack it, then leave. When you blog, you better have thick skin. Because people are not always gonna agree with your theories, not your thoughts. I mean, come on! A person saying they are gonna slap you, when for the most part they probably have know idea who you really are? You are being a big baby. Grow up, take it like a man……..if you even are.
Uptown
June 29, 2012 at 7:35 pm
UT OH!!
Sarge
June 29, 2012 at 7:44 pm
What does your employer think of you playing on the computer all day long? You can’t be getting much work done.
Anonymous
June 29, 2012 at 8:14 pm
“Legally it may be of relevance as well.” When people start using the “L” word in their arguements, it is usually as a fear factor reflex to silence or intimidate those whose arguements they cannot combat or argue against.
Uptown
June 29, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Get use to it, is always his last straw.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I was actually talking to Matt the editor by my reference to keeping comments for legal reasons. I don’t feel intimidated by him saying he wants to slap me around. I really would like comments with no swear words to remain, because I believe in people’s rights to express themselves no matter what. If anger and threats are what they want and feel, I have no problem with allowing that. I know people get mad. In a way Matt is helping people out by removing their hot-headed comments, sparing them from permanent record of it later. Imagine if every hot-headed or intoxicated statement you wrote were held to you forever? But then again, I forget most of you people write anonymously so it’s no skin off your teeth to get rowdy and unruly. Since theirs no bravery in hurling an anonymous insult at anyone, but if you do use your real name, I think your comments should stay, even if they are threatening. that would push personal responsibility in blogging to a whole new level, but then again, it wouldn’t encourage anyone to use their real names. the whole anonymous vs. real name debate has been going on for a long time since blogging became fashionable. I know the issue well. It’s tricky. In a way I sorta wish accounts needed to be validated with credit cards or something, but I realize there are times when people need to get the info out and remain anonymous. i just ask that if you do remain anonymous, keep your cowardly attacks to a minimal…since I’m using my real name, and you’re not.
David
June 30, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Peter, you are right. Even though I would like to slap you around some because of some of your remarks I shouldn’t have said it but they didn’t edit out anything. I discipline my children for swearing so I try not to swear as a role model, and if calling you wimpy hurt your feelings that bad then I apologize. I am proud of what I did in the military, especially my last tour in Iraq. If you really knew what was going on over there and not what the news was telling you, your opinion would change. Not only was some of it down right lies, some of the news got men killed, all for the scoop. You believe all the news and the study you want, it still doesn’t make it true.
Peter L
June 30, 2012 at 11:10 pm
David, that was magnanimous of you. I was just taken aback as to the Wimpy from Popeye analogy…and I didn’t get it at first. gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. I get it now. I know that when certain decisions are first announced, whoever is in the losing opinion tends to get very angry. I’ve been on the other end of that with Republican victories in the past. It sucks, and it gets you angry and saying stuff you probably normally wouldn’t or don’t really believe. The best way that I can attempt to describe why 2 fundamentally different viewpoints still show common traits, is because if I asked you if you like the band Pink Floyd, chances are you’d probably say yes. But when you really break down the overall message of Pink Floyd, you’ll find that it’s anti-war…as Roger Waters lost his father in WW2 and loathes war and the men who create the conditions for war. Although there is a part of me that feels “you cannot have a war without the soldiers”, I do understand that the mechanism for going to war is complex, and that once you have surrendered your individual identity on the dotted line, you are no longer in a position to think and act for yourself. there are of course circumstances where soldiers are able to morally resist orders or missions that are fundamentally fubar, or that deliberately target innocent civilians. I despise dictators, and I do appreciate the removing of Saddam Hussein, so for that I could say thank you. But…there are aspects of military policy that I feel are fundamentally unfair, such as enlistment criteria, as well as some operating procedures and delegated risks. I get that the overall job description is intrinsically dangerous, but that is why I feel the leaders and the brass should be planning things very carefully before they commit lives to military missions. Hearing about friendly fire incidents are unacceptable in my book, and I deplored hearing of all the helicopter crashes loaded with soldiers, some of which were training accidents. I would not want my body committed to such leadership under circumstances that I don’t trust. For this reason, i state that only a domestic invasion would cause me to support military action, and the committal of my body to such actions. Overseas missions, of a non-critical nature are to be avoided. I’ll tell you that at the core of my anti-war philosophy is that I believe in the sustainable local model as solution to all of the planet’s war and conflict problems. This means that if people in given geographic regions throughout the world learn how to live on local resources, and produce good independently, it will lessen involvement with other cultures, which will reduce fighting for one regions resources to be exploited by another region. There is no doubt that oil has been the cause of many conflicts. It’s a powerful thing, I do not deny that. But, there are technologies now available that if properly implemented, will work to provide us energy, and to ignore them or work against them is, in my book, to continue supporting the forces of war and conflict. I’m a true believer in this, and it drives my political philosophy. some, don’t care whether or not war goes on, but I do. the thought of ending another persons life is not a position I would want to be in, unless i was directly and unavoidably being attacked. I do not see Iraq nor Afghanis as being a direct threat to me. Border control and shipping container control has always been the obvious remedy to the war on terror in my view. I realize because of bad actors in the theatre…ie China and Russia, we have been forced to engage in these proxy wars to keep up…but do we really need to? And in my view the outsourcing of jobs and buying products from Communist China…a nation which will one day rival us for military superiority, is nothing short of suicide. Russia would just use the Chinese if we didn’t? Is that what I hear you saying? Perhaps but if we were producing our own goods, it wouldn’t matter. Then, only true border aggressors or mischief makers in the world would need war declared against them. Once every region was making it’s own way…the only time interaction between cultures would occur would be on a vacation and goodwill basis.
This is a synopsis of my beliefs…whether you agree with them or not, that is for you to decide.
-P
David
July 1, 2012 at 12:18 am
Back to the original post, judge Roberts voted the way he did to show that it was a tax thus legal, hence Obama lied to everybody and is now doubling his lies to cover up his original lie. You can cover him with wool, slap some ears and a tail on him and have him go baaaaa but if he slithers on then ground with no legs he is a snake. We will see come November.
Anonymous
June 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm
I have finally decided that Peter L enters his posts to fan the flames of emotional outbursts, trying to get people to respond to his posts which automatically cause discord to rational persons. I have come to this conclusion because it is impossible for me to believe that a person can be this stupid and totally lacking in logic and commaon sense unless he is mentally challanged/handicapped. But then again, perhaps Peter L is mentally challanged/handicapped. Hmmmm, that would explain a lot of things.
David
June 29, 2012 at 5:49 pm
I came to the same conclusions so I stopped responding. Besides we got way off track. I was reading that Judge Roberts may have voted the way he did to bring to light the fact that Obama lied about it being a tax so instead of being a bad guy he might have been good guy in disguised.
Anonymous
June 29, 2012 at 6:35 pm
That’s another thing I have noticed about Peter L. Sometimes he goes off on a tangent and doesn’t even address the main issue. It’s as if he is unable to focus on the subject in question without letting his imagination/ego wander in areas that he feels he should be an expert in. And he never defends his position with logic. It’s either insults, innuendos,or plain false reasoning.
Observer
June 29, 2012 at 11:56 am
“…..Good luck wrangling with that mind of yours Observer.”
I did not wrangle with it at all. The results of the study that was printed, showed a few cases of unreasonable spanking. One example was the child touching the pages while Mom was reading. Poor choice of actions.
How we discipline, and when, becomes a choice of each parent. What works for some, does not for others. But on the whole, A spanking is something reserved for behaviors of insolence and outright disobedience, or lying. It must never be used in anger. When you are angry, you walk away. Any other emotion being displayed by a parent is fair game. Disappointment is one that is quite appropriate.
It has been my experience that “Time Outs” per se are useless. They do not reinforce anything. If my son pulls his sisters hair, he would be made to go back, and not only apologize, but admit to his sister he did something wrong. This must start at a very early age.
It is a consequence, and when used over and over, the message becomes pretty clear. If I pull sis’ hair, this is what will happen. And both parents must follow it to the letter of the law, and equally.
The next most important and highly effective agent of discipline is taking away privileges. You don’t want to pick up toys? Fine, I will, but guarantee you will never see them again. Again, there must be uniformity between Mom and Dad as to when and how this happens.
But, the biggest and most important method of discipline, is being the role model. This do as I say, not as I do is what confuses a child to no end. It never works. Be honest and human. When you as a parent do something wrong, step up and say so in the moment, in front of the kids if the situation exists. In modern lexicon, the term “d’oh” seems to relate it better than anything else.
But when they crossed the well defined line, they were spanked, and knew exactly why.
Wingnut
June 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm
And the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Observer, I agree with those parenting measures you outlined. So why are you and I in disagreement about spanking? The type of spanking I see is arbitrary, whimsical and most certainly occurs when the parents are overstressed, underintellectual white trash, or black trash. Good family dynamics don’t resort to such measures. When it occurs in public, it makes everyone uncomfortable…as it is a form of violence played out right before your eyes and ears. If your child has gotten so bad to the point you need to spank them, you’ve already failed.
New mothers and fathers take warning. It’s YOUR BEHAVIOR THAT COUNTS THE MOST…your children are just extensions of your maturity or immaturity.
Anonymous
June 29, 2012 at 10:49 am
Peter L. Wow
A legend in his own mind.
Observer
June 29, 2012 at 12:06 am
“….. then I’ll be donning the uniform and taking up arms…and not a moment sooner.”
That sir, is quite a leap of faith. It makes assumptions that you even qualify to serve in the Military.
“Dear (fill in the blank):
The United States is no longer going to help it’s friendly countries out under any circumstances. We realize what is happening there right now will jepordize your future, and create a state unfriendly to Freedom and Democracy, and perhaps become a threat to us.
But our policy now, according to Peter Lagios is to no longer intervein in affairs outside our borders. We are sorry, but we can no longer help you on your quest to remain free. Perhaps ask Russia if they are willing to help.
With Regards,
The President of the United States”
Watch how many friends we will have after that.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 4:49 am
military or no military, if my area was being attacked…i’d take up arms. Oh wait, isn’t that what most of the other men did in Iraq and Afghanistan when their country was being attacked? hmmm…not much different, yet American troops thought every man would just roll over? No…actually they wanted them to take up arms, so they could mow them down with helicopter gunships. That was the strategy. Wake them up, to mow them down. Draw on the natural urge to protect your home and family. what was left? only the cowards, and turncoats. A great way to build a country from what remains.
Bush and his cabinet hopefully will rot in hell for their decision to turn a country upside down with war.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 4:58 am
Do you know who qualifies to serve in the military? Anyone they need at the moment to win and achieve their objectives…that’s who qualifies. If they were down to a prison full of murderers, and they were holed up fighting off a battle, they’d use every murdering prisoner that wanted to fight on their side to win. The military is an evolving, chameleon, shapeshifting organization that doesn’t really care about records or morals or criminal background. They do what they need to win, and use whomever they need at the moment to win. IN peacetime, to thin their herds, then they draw upon background checks and criminal records of applicants. Phony as a three dollar bill. Same goes for police forces and sheriff’s departments. If it came down to needing someone to fight their way out of a bad situation…they’d deputize whoever was available.
Yet during their good times, when things are relaxed enough where they can allow their natural discrimination to re-align itself…then they’ll find a reason to disqualify you from joining their ranks.
Not much respect for them, when you truly know how they work.
Sarge
June 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm
What does your employer think of you playing on the computer all day long? You can’t be getting much work done.
Anonymous
June 28, 2012 at 11:48 pm
free stuff is fun, june 28, 2:12pm talked about the free cell phone program. Could someone elaborate on this please? Haven’t heard anything about this yet but am extremely interested. Thanks. Sounds like more tax money being spent freely for questionable reasons.
David
June 29, 2012 at 12:01 am
I was a manager of a casino in Vegas when I went to Iraq. I was injured and am now on disability. I make less than 10,000 a year so I am on a program where I get 250 free minutes a month through virgin mobile. There are probably other programs out there, this is one of them through the V.A.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 4:44 am
Oh, so you went to Iraq and now you’ve come back here as the big war stud, calling people with views you don’t like wimpy. great. and I’ll bet only people like you should be able to serve in government now or the police force right? isn’t this how the equation goes? the rest of us are wimpy…oh but you’ll spare that on people who kiss your ass as you play out the wounded veteran card for the rest of your days.
Next.
sijr
June 28, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Peter, how about your heros, FDR and Truman, killing millions with your tax dollars and most of those were innocent civilians. LBJ same thing. There’s Clinton authorizing the Waco slaughter.
Anonymous
June 28, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Try to stay on topic and tell us how this thing will be paid for. No more, hey look over there and try to distract and go to another topic. How will this socialized medicine be paid for? Never any good answers, just distractions.
Obama Investments
June 28, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Another Obama investment doing well – your tax dollars at work under Obama Investments. I trust his ObamaCare plan – don’t you??
Today — (CBS News) “It was number 17 on the White House’s 100 Recovery Projects That Are Changing America list. Now, Abound Solar is about to join the taxpayer-supported green energy firms that have filed for bankruptcy.”
“Abound Solar was approved for a $400 million dollar taxpayer loan guarantee under the same program as did now-bankrupt Solyndra.”
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 7:31 pm
400 million? that was about what…3 or 4 suitcases of bribe money gone missing in Iraq?
Anonymous
June 28, 2012 at 5:11 pm
How will we pay for it? Lofty ideas are just that. But who will pay for it? Take an economics course and figure everything out. You will not get the best and the brightest for providers in such a system. They will migrate elsewhere. Good luck with your future surgeries, etc., people. There is a reason people from all over the world come here to access our healthcare system. You must use facts and some rational reasoning powers. When I was young I believed in the tooth fairy too but then make believe time was over as an adult. Premiums and taxes are going to increase, is everyone on board for wanting that? Reform is needed but not this.
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Who paid for the Iraq war? I’ll bet you had no problem killing and maiming people with your tax dollars.
David
June 28, 2012 at 7:58 pm
You don’t even want to go there wimpy, the fact that you even made that statement says you never even wore the uniform. Now I am back to wanting to slap you again. Let me guess, you are a demacrat? Just trying to spell it correctly made my stomach turn.
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 11:18 pm
answer the question. and quit calling me wimpy. not even sure where you got that from. and take your uniform and shove it where the sun don’t shine. I don’t give a crap about all that patriotic junk. Wars are bad deals. there’s no glory in them…at all. i’d rather spend money healing the sick, rather than trying to prove to yourself what a badass you are. there hasn’t been a necessary war since WW2 and I doubt you were in that one…so shove it.
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm
When I see hostile foreign forces breaching the shores of United States continental territory, then I’ll be donning the uniform and taking up arms…and not a moment sooner. That means the 50 states. Because in my view, that’s all the United States is entitled to own and control, and even those 50 were gathered under questionable beginnings. America is not a righteous nation, as much as you ignorant patriots like to re-write history in your minds to make it seem that way. I’ll clause my statements with this though…the moment a righteous alien force comes along that provides the type of freedoms, liberty, truth and justice I’m looking for. I’d flush the red, white and blue down the toilet and switch sides in a heartbeat, just to let you all know what I really think of her. But at present, it’ll do.
David
June 28, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Alrighty then try any 3rd world nation then, and you remind me of the character wimpy from the Popeye cartoon.
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 4:34 am
There’s a reason why prisons and school systems don’t allow “colors”. Think about it. Flags and Nationalism are nothing but colors and the bigger gangs, pitting humans of different languages, colors, and creeds against each other. Nationalism is considered a sin in the Buddhist Religion, and true Christians understand Nationalism’s folly as well. They render unto God what is God’s, and they are willing to bare their necks and die, rather than commit sins against God and morality. This is why I loathe the United States Military Biggest Gang In The World, when they hijack and demean Christianity, by acting as though they are Christian. They know nothing about true Christianity. No true Christian would take up arms period, as their belief in God, the Ressurection, and their Savior trumps ALL earthly matters. Most people tolerate the phony Christian assertions of the Gang, as long as they protect them in the way they want. Endless homage to the military in newspapers and on tv, as payment for doing the nasty work of keeping the political doctrines alive.
Do you think a regular person in China wants to be pitted against a regular person in America? NO, but the governments, and the men like Bush and Romney (industry and financial captains) who pit man against man in their games of intrigue, domination and control, have made it impossible to resist taking up the colors of their nation to fight a stupid and pointless war.
And remember, for every person that goes around trying to command another man’s bravery or accusing them lack thereof…there will be a test for those men. As you dish it out, you will receive it.
so have fun with that Hero.
sijr
June 28, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Roberts basically wrote you voted this in at the polls, if you don’t like it vote for the other side.
My question is: Who pays for the 11-plus million illegals and their 1.4 million kids? (Loaded question!!!!!)
Don’t pay attention to the person behind the curtain…he’s a poor soul who has nothing better to do that spout his crummy philosophy…many times misspelled, etc.
Just My Opinion
June 28, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Very pleased! To quote our great president, “It should be pretty clear by now that I didn’t do this because it was good politics. I did it because I believed it was good for the country.”
Too bad you right-wingers can’t see that we finally have someone in the White House who cares about EVERYONE, and not just the wealthy.
A GOOD DAY INDEED!!
Anonymous
June 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Oh….BULLSH*^!!!!
Blessings
June 28, 2012 at 5:24 pm
You got it – “Everyone” — the free-lunchers and the working people. Only thing is Obama doesn’t have many in the country working. Unemployment is extreme, his policies are all for the free-lunch seekers.
Watchdog
July 1, 2012 at 12:15 am
How could you find good in this crazy health care/welfare bill?
It kills ambition, penalizes the the working man, rewards laziness, and puts America farther into debt.
Are you crazy or just plain stupid?
Free stuff is fun
June 28, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Could we at least stop the free cell phone program? Just sayin.
Blackberry Bold
June 28, 2012 at 2:33 pm
No, don’t take my free Blackberry Bold and cell service away. I need it to call and text my 6 kids at home while I’m out partying and looking for another new father who can pay child support. The Bold works so well that I don’t have to get off my fat lazy ass to do anything but satisfy myself.
Just Sayin
June 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Yeah, just sayin.
Mighty One
June 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm
What happens when the well off, tax paying, punished for being successful & independent of the government, folks run out of money to cover all the new taxes demanded by OBIMBOCARE ? Where will the money come from then ???? Welfare maggots have no clue, never did !
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 8:38 am
Welfare maggots? You have no clue what you’re talking about. 2 classes of people were created by design by the rich ruling classes. They wanted it this way. 1 ultra rich, a 1 ultra poor. Stop being so naive’. When Romney is outsourcing jobs to 2nd and 3rd world countries, he’s both a traitor to this country and a destroyer of the middle class. They knew what they were doing. The military prison industrial complex where poor people are enslaved as privates, prisoners in jumpsuits, or low wage workers at Wal-mart and other factories for 4 bucks an hour…or lower if they could get away with it. The mindframe of these rich people is sick and perverted. they want domination and control…not a good community and equal harmony among the people. I’d spend more time attacking the designers of this pathetic system, rather than those at the bottom of the barrel struggling to survive. IN a way one could argue that food stamps should be given to everyone since large farm subsidies paid the farmers with tax dollars. Why shouldn’t everyone eat when their is an abundance of food grown in mass? Of course, the quality of the food produced is subpar, and on the unhealthy side with corporate farming…but if it’s bought and paid for by tax money….distribute it to the “welfare maggots”. Sounds about right.
Now when every person has their own land once again to grow their own food and tend to their own affairs, outside of the central banks and mortgage companies, then I’ll listen to your claims of people being lazy welfare maggots. But this is all by design, and you get what you plan for.
Mighty One
June 29, 2012 at 12:02 pm
FROM NIT STAFF: Please refrain from name calling.
Emanresu
June 30, 2012 at 7:43 am
DOMINATION & CONTROL…. come on Peter… that is exactly the driving force behind the LIBERAL MACHINE ! Nearly half of Americans are dependent upon the U.S. Government and that is how the “L.M.” likes it.
The U.S. Government has been failing for several years, all the way back to the Carter Admininstration of the 70′s ! Holy Yikes America . SPEND & TAX, drive up the national debt no matter what the consequences – that’s the Liberal Machine. Americans need to take responsiblity for survival, as there are far too many dependent upon the welfare system with millions taking advantage of & screwing the system over, generation after generation. It’s a vicious cycle !
God help the future children of America, or should we start calling ourselves MEXI-MERICA and raise the “green, orange & white” flag on this July 4th instead of the “BEAUTIFUL – RED & WHITE & BLUE”, or maybe even raise the flag of CHINA, as they own a huge chunk of Ameican debt. One day the July 4th celebration of our nation’s independence will be abolished, too. It’s happening everyday , bits & pieces at a time. Atheists & Muslims are at war against the U.S. and everything this great nation was founded/built upon. Look around you America – bits & pieces disappearing every day.
American has become a nation of “entitlements” – HOW SAD & VERY SCARY
Peter L
June 30, 2012 at 9:23 am
So why vote for a man whose company got rich pioneering outsourcing of jobs overseas to India and China? Was I the one made the decision for Wal-Mart to no longer carry Made in USA labels and carry everything exclusively from China? Why aren’t you able to connect the dots?
I know why, because you’re the victim of brainwashing from a very early age. They told you that everything Democrat was bad, and now you vote against your own interest. That’s what’s really sad. Wal-Mart is not a Democratic Party affiliated organization…it is a Republican one.
Admittedly there are problems in the Democratic Party as well, but the base has largely turned that ship around, and now the Democrats are back on track. The base held the fire to their ass, after George W. Bush. They can be trusted over the Republicans, but kept on a short leash.
Anonymous
June 28, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I have yet to read the whole decision, however I get a sneaking suspision that the Justices decided on what was argued, and nothing more. This means of course (speculation on my part at the moment).
More after I read the decision and writs.
Observer
June 28, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Well, in my inital reading of the 193 pages of the decision, my suspisions are quite founded. The decision itself, looks at an Amicus that was not volunteered, but urged and chosen by the court.
The legislation itself was written in a rather ingenious way, so as to collect taxes, yet not not call it a tax, nor impose the usual tax collection proceedures under the IRS code.
I have yet to digest it all. And some parts become hard to follow. I will also need to read the arguements to this case, to see what what was covered, and what was not.
David
June 28, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Are you saying it was originally written to be a tax even though they told us it wasn’t going to be a tax?
Observer
June 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm
That is exactly what it appears to be.
David
June 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm
So every one of these polititians that are laughing and saying it is a great win knew it was all a lie, they need to be tared and feathered and stripped of their position. I know that lying is a part of the job but if I lie to a police office officer I can go to jail, or if I lie to a judge I can go to jail but it is fine for them to lie to us and get reelected.
why not
June 28, 2012 at 1:11 pm
socialism is not that bad. Its only bad for those of you who have decided to work for a living to get these things.
For me, I will just sit back and collect all the benefits that I deserve from the fruits of your labor.
All I can say is, thanks for making it all happen. 4 more years, a sure thing!!!!!!!!
Emanresu
June 28, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Typical welfare maggot…..burn in h*ll skank
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 8:50 am
Unlike Emanesru I detect your sarcasm. here’s why you don’t know what you’re talking about. Modern civilization has produced streamlined efficient robotic technologies to produce the goods that were once manufactured by human labor. Because of mechanization and automation, less humans have been needed, hence a surplus of people out of work. A transition period has been underway as humans re adjust to technocracy and automation. In the interim, with a surplus of humans, and an economic system that revolves around 30 day payments, it’s inevitable humans will need more public assistance. You cannot box people in un efficient heavily dependent houses and apartments, with no gardening and food production facilities, no on site electrical production, and an angry expecting landlord or mortgage company demanding payments, and expect them not to require public assistance.
Society ultimately is in an adjustment phase. You can either condemn people, or you can design things better, keep the population down, and demand a shift in how business is conducted at the top levels. Ever heard of reverse mortgages? They pay your house payment to one day take your house when you die. It’s a creative way to diminish the burden of those damn 30 day payments.
I’ve always asked people to look behind the curtain on those 30 day payments (homage to Wizard of Oz) and see that some undeserving, capitalist pig is making you jump through hoops unnecessarily. Refer to my other articles I’ve written bout the inherent rights of all humans to own land, land from which they cannot be displaced.
*Larry*
June 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm
The “welfare maggots” love this one. U.S. will go bankrupt by 2020 for sure, if not much sooner. Sad day for AMERICA :(
Mr. Eastside….must be one of those welfare maggots. 69% of Americans do not support O’care…..unemployment will soar in this country!!!!!! God help us all.
The Liberal machine wants all Americans dependent upon the government , plain & simple, and extremely frightening !
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 9:03 am
Your leadership failed to provide for reality. Your leaders are cemented into Me First. As a result, you lost the election, and will continue losing elections. Greed and personal enrichment are only tolerated up to a certain level in America. True there is a mechanism for people to work and get rich here, but the majority of Americans will not let you do it at the expense of sick people. Thank God for that. It’s best that you continue worshiping the rich Repubs you adore, and leave the business of government to people who are capable and empathetic enough to care for those not a member of the country club.
The Republicans are a “Do Nothing” bunch when it comes to matters of social importance. The American people don’t want that anymore. You’ll see. This law will become a permanent part of our heritage and is only the beginning towards creating a culture of care and compassion rather then ME ME ME, ME …my family…my friends…but mostly ME ME ME ME ME.
Yippee
June 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Ice cream for everyone! Have fun paying for it everybody!
LVS
June 28, 2012 at 11:31 am
Just because some old people called judges say it is constitutional does NOT mean it is right. Now they will have to go another way. A bad bill is still a bad bill. It will costs us a fortune. The correct thing to do is to save the good parts (there are some good parts) and junk the rest.
David
June 28, 2012 at 11:45 am
In a Newsmax.com article the owner of Burger King stated that if this went through his insurance premiums would go up by 18 million dollars, he would have no choice but to layoff or fire up to 1/4 of his parttime workforce and some of his fulltime people. Can you imagine all the other business out there how this would effect them and how the unemployment rate would climb?
bodacious
June 28, 2012 at 2:32 pm
It is called fear David. “If this happens, this will happen and boy will you be sorry” Burger King won’t miss the $18 million. It might mean they will have to cut the CEO’s salary by 1/4. Big Business, as do most other entities in this country, operate on fear. They try to make us all believe that the worst is going to happen and tell us how it will affect us. Then, they hope, the public opinion will fall in behind them and continue to pound the point until a new method of fear is found. Don’t worry about Burger King. They will continue to do just fine.
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 10:19 am
Aside from the 4 cads of dissenting opinion, I have to say I’m impressed with this Supreme Court, and particularly Judge Roberts, who I’ve seen in other decisions behave as a rational, intelligent human being, with an independent mind. It’s good for all of us, when the best and brightest are sitting in that court. It’s gives me hope that one day we will overturn the repressive drug laws in this country. Congratulations to President Obama and the Supreme Court and the American people.
Messed up
June 28, 2012 at 10:54 am
Peter L — You are messed up in the head!! I’ve seen all your comments on here and your are jacked in the head to believe the way you believe..
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 11:55 am
Feel free to submit an article to NIT outlining your beliefs. I look forward to it.
Buzz Crumcutter
June 28, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Legalizing illegal drugs are his solution to most everything in life. From what I have learned here on NIT, most people know him for what he is, not what he thinks he is. Just wait until he starts replying to his own comments. That’s always entertaining for me to watch
Peter L
June 29, 2012 at 9:10 am
@Buzzard: Decriminalizing drugs is only one of many steps needed to right the wrongs of this society. The other direly needed correction is establishing land rights for every human 21 and older. One day you will come to realize the wisdom of my policies and teachings.
David
June 28, 2012 at 11:32 am
After reading this posting it now answers alot of questions I had about you peter, now instead of wanting to slap some sense into you, you now make me laugh. I now have a mental image of you, if you give me a hamburger today I will gladly pay you on tuesday.
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 11:59 am
A recent study showed that parents who resorted to corporeal punishment stunted intellectual growth in their children.
David
June 28, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Boy you left yourself wide open for that one but I will let it go…………………….. This is harder than I thought, I want to say it soooooo bad.
Observer
June 28, 2012 at 5:36 pm
“A recent study showed that parents who resorted to corporeal punishment stunted intellectual growth in their children.”
This is incorrect. One of the best examples I can offer is the High School I attended. Physical consequences were used for discipline problems.
But let’s look at the results. Over 90% of those graduating got a college degree. Not from Community Colleges either. DePaul, Notre Dame, Northwestern Law, and the like. Most today hold positions of prominence, own their own business, or have retired (if you make enough money, you too can retire early).
A much higher percentage than what you might find of graduates from a school where discipline was not even enforced, or at best, consequences were a slap on the wrist.
The results speak for themselves Peter.
Peter L
June 28, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Here’s a study from Southern Methodist University about spanking. You probably won’t like the results, as it won’t fit with your pre-conceptions. INADVERTENT SPANKING STUDY. There’s also another one out there which states that it stunts intellectual growth, but this one was interesting as well. It shows that children who are spanked exhibit more aggression later in life. Good luck wrangling with that mind of yours Observer.
David
June 28, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Wimpy is right in a way, you can find any study to go along with your point of view, right or wrong. All I know is God said spare the rod spoil the child. I was spanked as a child and I turned out all right. I never went to college but I owned my own business, I managed a casino, I think I did OK.
MrEastSide
June 28, 2012 at 9:55 am
A win for all !Thank You Obama
Taxman Cometh
June 28, 2012 at 10:07 am
Only if you like to be taxed to financial death.